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Piccolo ( Buu saga ) vs SSJ Kid Trunks ( at Tournament )
Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 02:00 PM (1,711 Views)
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What sort of training is tanking punches? How would that help either Gohan or Goten?

Training with someone multiple times weaker than you isn't very good training either...
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Jun 17 2012, 03:14 PM
Nothing implies that Gohan is far ahead of Goten, tbh. Gohan wasn't holding back, of course he was having the edge in the fight but still he was trying very hard, we can see how fatigued he was. >_>
Yes and once he went super saiyan the fight ends in 10 seconds. If they were even would it have ended that fast? If they were close would Gohan be able to dodge attacks from super saiyan Goten while Gohan's in base form?
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Jun 17 2012, 03:15 PM
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What sort of training is tanking punches? How would that help either Gohan or Goten?

Training with someone multiple times weaker than you isn't very good training either...
And yet Goku trains with Gohan in the time chamber when he's way weaker and Piccolo trains with Gohan leading up to the fight with the saiyans? And both Piccolo and Goku train with Gohan leading up to the arrival of the androids. You're still not saying how tanking punches would be beneficial to training.
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And yet Goku trains with Gohan in the time chamber when he's way weaker and Piccolo trains with Gohan leading up to the fight with the saiyans? You're still not saying how tanking punches would be beneficial to training.

Goku even admitted that Gohan would slow down his training at first, but Gohan eventually became not only as strong as Goku but stronger.

Also I'm not saying tanking punches is beneficial, I'm saying if Gohan was that much higher than Goten that he wouldn't need to put any effort into dodging at all.
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And yet Goku trains with Gohan in the time chamber when he's way weaker and Piccolo trains with Gohan leading up to the fight with the saiyans? You're still not saying how tanking punches would be beneficial to training.

Goku even admitted that Gohan would slow down his training at first, but Gohan eventually became not only as strong as Goku but stronger.

Also I'm not saying tanking punches is beneficial, I'm saying if Gohan was that much higher than Goten that he wouldn't need to put any effort into dodging at all.
He wouldn't need to dodge but how would that benefit either of them even if he was stronger? That's why he's fighing him in base when Goten's super saiyan. Once he goes super saiyan the fight ends.
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He wouldn't need to dodge but how would that benefit either of them even if he was stronger? That's why he's fighing him in base when Goten's super saiyan. Once he goes super saiyan the fight ends.

I told you that clip was filler. Base Gohan never fights SSj Goten in the manga, it's all SSj Gohan and SSj Goten and Gohan is clearly showing effort, something he'd never do if he was much weaker than Goten.
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So the only fight that's shown in the show isn't relevant, with Goten blatantly saying he can't beat him? How is that logical? Gohan clearly showed effort in that clip too once he went super saiyan, all 10 seconds of the fight.
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So the only fight that's shown in the show isn't relevant, with Goten blatantly saying he can't beat him? How is that logical? Gohan clearly showed effort in that clip too once he went super saiyan, all 10 seconds of the fight.

The fight isn't even canon, it's all filler, it was never in the manga. Of course it's not relevant. If you want to take filler into account then SSj Goten and Trunks are as weak as Mr Popo.
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So the only fight that's shown in the show isn't relevant, with Goten blatantly saying he can't beat him? How is that logical? Gohan clearly showed effort in that clip too once he went super saiyan, all 10 seconds of the fight.

The fight isn't even canon, it's all filler, it was never in the manga. Of course it's not relevant. If you want to take filler into account then SSj Goten and Trunks are as weak as Mr Popo.
So what else is there to base it on? Assumptions? One page of a manga scan showing them going all out? One page of a manga scan of them fighting as super saiyan could encompass the 10 seconds the fight lasted in that video.
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So what else is there to base it on? Assumptions? One page of a manga scan showing them going all out? One page of a manga scan of them fighting as super saiyan could encompass the 10 seconds the fight lasted in that video.

The first spar they ever have which lasts a few pages (Before even training had been done) and that one panel are all we do have to go by. It doesn't matter if we don't have much, that doesn't mean you can just take things from the Anime to fill what we don't have in the manga.
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Jun 17 2012, 03:32 PM
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So what else is there to base it on? Assumptions? One page of a manga scan showing them going all out? One page of a manga scan of them fighting as super saiyan could encompass the 10 seconds the fight lasted in that video.

The first spar they ever have which lasts a few pages (Before even training had been done) and that one panel are all we do have to go by. It doesn't matter if we don't have much, that doesn't mean you can just take things from the Anime to fill what we don't have in the manga.
So instead of going by whats in the anime for whats not in the manga we go by assumptions and words that can be taken completely out of context. The fight lasted 10 seconds once Gohan went super saiyan. Base Gohan dodged attacks from super saiyan Goten. There's no greater evidence than that that Goten's nowhere near Gohan's level.
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SSJ Vegeta >> SSJ Kid Trunks >= SSJ Goten > Piccolo

But then against, it's extremely hard to imagine the pre-rosat kids, even as SSJ's, be ahead of Piccolo. But putting them below Piccolo just feels strange.
This hypothetical fight feels strange.
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So what else is there to base it on? Assumptions? One page of a manga scan showing them going all out? One page of a manga scan of them fighting as super saiyan could encompass the 10 seconds the fight lasted in that video.

The first spar they ever have which lasts a few pages (Before even training had been done) and that one panel are all we do have to go by. It doesn't matter if we don't have much, that doesn't mean you can just take things from the Anime to fill what we don't have in the manga.
So instead of going by whats in the anime for whats not in the manga we go by assumptions and words that can be taken completely out of context. The fight lasted 10 seconds once Gohan went super saiyan. Base Gohan dodged attacks from super saiyan Goten. There's no greater evidence than that that Goten's nowhere near Gohan's level.
Chapter: 428 (DBZ 271), P2.3-4
Gohan : "True , but you have excellent potential! I didn't know you were that good! If you trained hard you can also enter the Budokai !"
Goten : "Really ? but Trunks is stronger than me . At least when we fight for fun " .
Gohan : Really ? you guys play like that ?"
Gohan : " Geez , if I don't start training soon , these kids'll be ahead of me."
that's must be an enough evidence that Goten is near Gohan power .

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